Sorry trot, I’m not going to fall for that one. He was great president IF you exclude Watergate. Foreign Affairs were starting to to take a turn for the better. Inflation was starting to decline. I know I was there.
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He considered dropping an A-bomb on Vietnam, he comitted more troops, Israel stopped listening to us, as did the arab states.
You call that taking a turn for the better??
And you can’t just “overlook” Watergate. The man criminally tried to inflate the power of the executive branch over both the congress and the Supreme Court. That’s not just wickedly unconstitutional, it’s also wickedly illegal in almost every way you shake it.
Had Ford not pardoned him, he would have gone to federal prison…because HE ALMOST DESTROYED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
But yeah, hey, just overlook all that…
oh well.
However, you must give him credit for his policies of detente. Vietnam as a whole was a stupid idea, and though he didn’t pull us out in his first term (and put instead, more of us in), he DID manage to give us “peace with honor” which is what he advertised in the first place. Opening relations with China, in addition, helped to improve both our trade and theirs in the long run. Not to mention the SALT treaties, of which I believe the FIRST was under Nixon.
Nixon was hardly perfect, but he wasn’t horrible either.
No, you’re mistaken, he was horrible.
People always say SALT this and China that in regards to Nixon, but those were merely based on timing trends based on the necessity of action on both sides. It’s not like Nixon sat down one day and said: let’s liberalize our views on China.
And “peace with honor?” Come on… If we’re going to start buying that kind of tripe about a situation in Vietnam now, there’s seriously no hope for us.
What’s more important? Honor, or the lives of American servicemen and innocent Vietnamese citizens?
Is that a rhetorical question? It should be.
Me Japanese man say great honor for big victory and lives are like the hair you are shedding. You miss hair, but is worth being the manly smooth.
What are you talking about? The Supreme court deciding who won? That’s written into the constitution, the whole Florida thing is stupid, Gore finally called it quits which gave it to Bush. So don’t be thinking bush stole the presidency and crap, he didn’t gore let him have it.
No, I meant they chose Iraq’s next ruler.
And if Gore had kept fighting, every conservative everywhere would literally start exploding in anger. Then we’d have to clean all that shit up…
Gore let him have it…hah. That’s a good way to pick a president.
“Well, the other guy didn’t win, but the guy who did win just gave him the office anyway. He’s just that kind of guy!”
No, but it wasn’t “Expletive deleted! I must work with those damned Chinese because the commies demand it…” Regardless of how much the climate of the time contributed, it still required Nixon to take part.
Well it’s already been established that it really wan’t too much honor. I don’t intend to argue that point. But he DID bring peace.
Again, I maintain that Vietnam was a mistake. You seem to assume that I worship Vietnam for all that it was worth. You are sorely mistaken. Vietnam was a major farce and we had no right to be there. Nevertheless, once we got in, it’s far more difficult to pull out.
Regardless of what you think of Nixon, Nixon is hardly the worst president in history. That probably goes to… I dunno. William Henry Harrison was probnably the best president in history: HE DID NOTHING EXCEPT DIE.
The one problem with that: Gore didn’t win. Sure he won the Popular vote, but that means nothing. The fact of the matter is: We don’t use the popular vote to elect our presidents. Therefore, whether he won or lost the popular vote is of no consequence.
Secondly, even the media declared Bush the winner in their own independent recount. Gore’s standards would merely have hurt his standards.
The Washington Post counted all of Florida. Gore won the state.
And the last troops left Vietnam in 1975. Ford ended the war, not Nixon.
Well, I guess there’s no sense in anyone voting for anyone in 2004, or any year after that, then.
Just more days of sitting.
How the president is elected - for those who don’t know.
We vote for people to vote for us. Which is a… Representative Democracy, which the United States is.
So… then why don’t we have an electoral college for state government elections?
The electoral college and the supreme court are the two least democratic things in this democracy…but not that I’m complaining. It’s just how things go.
Now, when someone wins something fairly, he should be given his due. Gore won the state of Florida in terms of popular votes. This means that the electoral votes of the state should have gone to him. This means that he should be the president of the United States.
Just because he said: ok, time to get the country moving again, and turned over the decision to the Supreme Court, doesn’t mean that the man shouldn’t be president…
Then there are people who truly claim that, thanks to all the variables, it is honestly too close to call. There are some [url=http://us.cnn.com/2001/LAW/04/columns/fl.hamilton.voterecount.04.13/]other interpretations as well, regarding the Supreme Court’s role in the case.
Also, why is it that I seem to find no information on your claim that Bush lost Florida in a media recount, yet I can see lots of claims from the Tribune Corporation, USA Today, CNN, etc. that a media recount gave Bush the win?
And an interesting footer: Apparently, in a statistical abstract census of Florida given last year, in which one of the questions is “who did you vote for in the 2000 election,” Bush had the win by 1000 pollers (yes, I realize that this is justification after the fact, but ont he other hand, I’m not seeking to justify, but rather to illustrate that it is just as mixed now as it was before.)
Honestly, I side with those who say it was too close to call, and I call it on a statistical basis. There are merely TOO many variables to have honestly given an accurate result one way or the other. Secondly, don’t forget other close states, especially ones like New Mexico, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Iowa, where other ways of disenfranchising the vote were possibly made.
Pipian, Bush ‘ownz’ the media, of course they were on his side.
I mean, he’s got the mad Exxon money, and Gore was an ecologist. Who do you think gets the (media) whores?
Personally, I think they’re both whores, and I could try and dig up a link for that recount thing, but I’m lazy, and I really don’t care enough to try and find it.
I know it was the Washington Post, and I know they recounted the whole state, not just the counties in question.