he is being recalled because he isn’t doing anything in office, people don’t feel he’s capable of being governor, and he’s not properly representing the people who he’s supposed to be representing.
He busted on an intern. Then lied about busting on said intern.
Oh no.
The country is still standing.
I’m not saying Gray Davis is a great governor or anything. I am saying that Arnie would be a shitty governor, however, and that the Republican party doesn’t really care about morality or past histories…as long as the candidate has a chance to win.
That’s all.
Under oath, mind you. Which is a crime. A big one. Also, if he’s willing to lie under oath, when exactly would he not be willing to lie? Bill Clinton’s crime wasn’t extra-marital sex. It was extra-honest speech in a court of law. I am appalled at the number of people who don’t find it seriously disturbing that the president of the United States swore an oath on the Bible not to lie… and then promptly did just that. (No matter what you think of the Bible, I think it unwise to disregard its symbolic status.)
The country is still standing.
Yeah, good argument. I suspect that Bill Clinton could have murdered 42 pregnant women and then raped and eaten an additional 42 children… and the country would still be here. Yet there’s something to be said about the moral fiber of a people who would allow such a person to be president. Ditto the moral fiber of a people who not only don’t care that their leader is an adulterer, but seemingly also don’t care that he is willing to disregard the law. And not even an unjust law. A perfectly sensible one that is probably necessary to the proper functioning of a democracy.
I’m not saying Gray Davis is a great governor or anything. I am saying that Arnie would be a shitty governor, however, and that the Republican party doesn’t really care about morality or past histories…as long as the candidate has a chance to win.
Okay, grand. I am also concerned about a party that seeks to win an election without any regard for things like civic virtue or principle… but that’s an accurate description of both major US political parties. You honestly think Gray Davis and the party that nominated him care about anything other than winning? If you do, you need to rethink your prejudices.
Go back to my first post. I fault the democrats as well.
Just in this case, they have actual candidates with experience…as opposed to the GOP who has an action star who posed nude, group fucked sluts, did drugs, shot steroids, and (the cardinal sin) made fun of Lou Ferrigno.
Mmmm…moral fiber.
But see, the only thing I’m uppity about here is that Arnie really doesn’t have the experience or planning to be a good governor of a state that has an economy larger than most nations. If he actually had an ecomonic plan, or ideas that sounded interesting to implement (besides the hum-drum: OH, I SUPPORT ABORTION or OH, I DON’T SUPPORT ABORTION. Nobody cares. You’re not the Supreme Court), then I wouldn’t care what he did in the past (I still don’t).
I just find the hypocrasy of the GOP mildly amusing in this case. Clinton is our worst president ever because he got some play. Arnie, however, is the second coming of Jesus (only he’s twice as clean).
why can’t someone with no experience run for office? pip makes a good point that nobody would hold offices besides the old idiots that are currently in office if people with no experience ran. Arnold has surrounded himself with people to give advice on both sides of the political spectrum.
Davis, on the other hand, promised that education would be his primary goal for his term, whats the first thing he cut? educational spending. California has the 8th (or so) lowest educational system in the US. blah
I’m not saying that they can’t run for office, I’m just saying that they probably shouldn’t.
I mean, what makes Arnie a better candidate than Tom McClintock, the other Republican? Or Bustamante? Just because he has intelligent people that he hired? Why don’t you just elect the intelligent people that he hired?
If Arnie wants to get into politics, maybe he should start a little lower, and work his way up. Prove that he can do the job…so, you know, I don’t have to listen to more recall bullshit for the next 30 years of my life.
If he started lower, then he might have to win a real election, not one based on name recognition alone. Who knows, maybe he’d win that, too, but this election is certainly a lot easier and quicker.
Umm… what about Tom McClintock? He’s a senator. Does that not count as experience?
But see, the only thing I’m uppity about here is that Arnie really doesn’t have the experience or planning to be a good governor of a state that has an economy larger than most nations.
I don’t like this point all that much, mainly because I don’t know if I believe that he needs all that much experience. Governors actually do precious little besides look good and give public addresses. The really important part will be his team of advisors.
If he actually had an ecomonic plan, or ideas that sounded interesting to implement (besides the hum-drum: OH, I SUPPORT ABORTION or OH, I DON’T SUPPORT ABORTION. Nobody cares. You’re not the Supreme Court), then I wouldn’t care what he did in the past (I still don’t).
This I like better - except for the part about not caring what he’s done in the past. Candidates should have ideas, and those without ideas shouldn’t win… but the voters have this habit of electing people for bad reasons just as often as for good reasons.
I just find the hypocrasy of the GOP mildly amusing in this case. Clinton is our worst president ever because he got some play. Arnie, however, is the second coming of Jesus (only he’s twice as clean).
Oh dear God, conservatives/Republicans/whatever don’t hate Bill Clinton because he committed adultery (some might, but I suspect they also dislike Arnie) - they hate him because he’s a criminal. A real one. The kind that lies under oath and consequently can’t be trusted. Also, which Republicans think Arnie is the second coming of Jesus? Most of what I’ve read by conservative columnists, etc is that Arnie is good because a popular face will help revitalize a dead party, not because he himself is anything special.
I mean, what makes Arnie a better candidate than Tom McClintock, the other Republican? Or Bustamante?
People like him. That doesn’t make him a better person, nor will it necessarily make him a better governor, but he’s a better candidate because people know him and like him, and his polling numbers are consequently better than McClintock’s and Bustamante’s.
Just because he has intelligent people that he hired? Why don’t you just elect the intelligent people that he hired?
Because they aren’t running for office. They want freedom to do research or work in the private sector or whatever, and so they won’t put their own names on the ballot. Also, there’s something to be said for the intangible virtues of leaders that simply are not present in most “experts” - like charisma.
Ok, good points, but tell me one thing about Arnie that would get you to vote for him, besides that he told Killian that he would ram his fist into his stomach and break his goddamn spine.
What are his ideas for the future?
Why won’t he debate the other candidates?
Why won’t he give straight answers about anything?
WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THIS MAN’S CAMPAIGN OF SUCK?
Am I seriously the only one who thinks that voting for an aging action hero simply because he’s a cool guy (and the guy he’d be replacing sucks) is a monumentally bad idea?
Why not just vote for Gary Coleman?
Hey, for all you know Arnie will be a great governor. And Gary Coleman is a complete loony.
Bustamonte blames californians for the budget crises, so we have to pay. Especially those who drink and smoke, since those things anyone who can afford to drink and smoke (like the lower classes, hell all three classes do it) should pay for their indulgence.
The only reason bustamonte would get in is because he’s latino, so the large latino population would vote for him just for that reason, is that better than arnolds situation?
I doubt that’s the only reason. The man was Lt. Governor, making him a worthy candidate whatever his nationality.
But seriously…what would spur you on to vote for Arnie? Prove that you’re not just buying the hype. PROOOOOOVE!
he’s the only candidate that has enough popularity to win right now.
the other reason bustamonte would win is because he’s a democrat, and all the democrats are gonna vote for him… because he’s a democrat. that’s afterall how the system works, if you’re a dem you vote for a dem, if you’re a republican you vote republican.
I thought so too until I took political analysis. About 20% of self-thought republicans vote democrat and about 10% of democrats vote republican.
In this case, I’d say a lot more democrats are going to vote for Arnie than 10% of the democratic voting public.
I will admit that I am rooting for Arnie solely for entertainment value.
That and he’s not American, bonus points in my book.
A discovery I have made: Tom McClintock is better than Arnold. He even has policy positions, and ones that I more or less am in agreement with. Here’s an interview from (of all places) Capitalism Magazine:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3077
Thoughts, you crazy lefties?
By the way, since I was apparently drunk and stopped posting in this thread some time ago, I want to make it clear that I don’t particularly want to see Arnold elected either. I’m just saying that he’s not immeasurably worse than certain other candidates, notably Gray Davis, who looked pretty good on paper. And, as I’ve indicated above, I would probably vote for McClintock (along with my pal Ben Stein), though I would also vote against the recall because I don’t like it.
And, while I’m considering not voting for George Bush, I want to make it perfectly clear to the world that I am not voting for Wesley Clark or any other CNN analyst. Not even Larry King.
Good thing he’s not a CNN analyst…but a NATO general and a loyal soldier to the United States. Anyway…
If I had to choose between McClintock and Arnie, I’d vote McClintock. If I had to choose between McClintock and Bustamonte…I don’t know who I’d vote for, because I don’t know anything about them. Also, I hate California, I’m glad I don’t live there, and if this ever happens in Michigan (to either party), I will be setting the capitol ablaze. Hopefully the fire will also engulf East Lansing…
Also, I’d just like to add that I hope Hurricane Isabel devours the entire east coast.
Why, you ask?
BURN IN GRAMMAR HELL, EAST COAST!!!
Yessssss, the east coast must learn it’s lesson by being blown off the face of the earth. Your driving us nuts with you’re bad grammer, east coast!